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56.2 Questioner: Would it be better to discontinue the contact at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. This is entirely at your discretion. This instrument has some energy transferred which is available. However, it is not great due to the effects as previously stated.
We, if you desire to question us further at this working, will as always attempt to safeguard this instrument. We feel that you are aware of the parameters without further elaboration.
89.16 Questioner: The way I understand this, then, Ra gave these archetypical concepts to the priests of Egypt who then drew them upon the walls of one of the chambers of the Great Pyramid. What was the technique of transmission of this information to the priests? At this time, was Ra walking the surface among the Egyptians, or was this done through some form of channeling?
Ra: I am Ra. This was done partially through old teachings and partially through visions.
17.32 Questioner: What must be the entity’s percentage, shall we say, if he is to be harvested for the negative?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.
22.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
24.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
39.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
52.5 Questioner: Could you give me the same information on the negatively oriented social memory complexes as to the ratios, how they use the slingshot or other effect (personality [disciplines])?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth-density negative uses the slingshot gravitic light effect, perhaps 80% of its membership being unable to master the disciplines necessary for alternate methods of travel. In fifth-density negative approximately 50% at some point gain the necessary discipline to use thought to accomplish travel. As the sixth density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into confusion and little travel is attempted. What travel is done is perhaps 73% of light/thought.
29.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
33.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
37.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
40.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
55.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
83.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
87.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
94.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
3.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate with you now.
30.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
31.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
34.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
35.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
38.0 Ra: [I am Ra. I greet you] in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
41.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
42.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
46.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
47.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
48.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
49.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
50.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
51.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
52.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
53.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
54.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
56.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
57.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
58.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
59.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
60.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
63.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
64.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
65.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
66.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
68.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
70.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
72.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
73.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
74.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
75.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
76.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
77.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
78.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
79.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
81.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
86.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
88.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
89.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
90.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
91.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
92.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
93.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
96.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
97.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
99.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
103.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
44.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
45.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
98.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
101.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
102.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
106.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
61.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
55.11 Questioner: This would indicate to me that in the Great Pyramid at Giza, the Queen’s Chamber, as it is called, would be the chamber for initiation. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Again, you penetrate the outer teaching.
The Queen’s Chamber would not be appropriate or useful for healing work as that work involves the use of energy in a more synergic* configuration rather than the configuration of the centered being.
82.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
84.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
95.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
100.0 Ra: I am Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
105.0 Ra: [I am] Ra. I greet you, my friends, in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
79.35 Questioner: OK. Sorry about that.
The next archetype, the Empress, is the Catalyst of the Mind, that which acts upon the conscious mind to change it. The fourth being the Emperor, which is the Experience of the Mind, which is that material stored in the unconscious which creates its continuing bias. Am I correct with those statements?
Ra: I am Ra. Though far too rigid in your statements, you perceive correct relationships. There is a great deal of dynamic interrelationship in these first four archetypes.
20.42 Questioner: In other words at that time there were hills overlooking these lines?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question of this session.
The entire smoothness, as you see this area now, was built up in many places in hills. The time/space continuum has proceeded with wind and weather, as you would say, to erode to a great extent both the somewhat formidable structures of earth designed at that time and the nature of the surrounding countryside.
42.7 Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for this in third density. Many entities here feel great compassion toward relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, bringing them food if there is hunger as there is in the African nations now, bringing them medicine if they believe they require administering to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.
This is creating a polarization or a vibration that is in harmony with green ray or fourth density. However, it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth density that these entities are experiencing catalyst and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth density than it would be to administer to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.
On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being, without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.
50.13 Questioner: Right now I’m getting two feelings simultaneously. Is this normal to get two at once?
Ra: I am Ra. The most normal for the adept is the following: the indigo stimulation activating that great gateway into healing, magical work, prayerful attention, and the radiance of being; and the stimulation of the violet ray which is the spiritual giving and taking from and to Creator, from Creator to Creator.
This is a desirable configuration.
Is there a brief query before we leave this instrument?
18.21 Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?
Ra: The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex or subcomplex as elite or different and better than other-selves, this one of the techniques of service to self.
88.17 Questioner: I will make this statement as to my understanding of some of the archetypes and let you correct this statement. It seems to me that the Significator of Mind, Body, and Spirit are acted upon in each of these by the catalyst. This produces Experience which then leads to the Transformation and produces the Great Way. This is the same process for mind, the body, and spirit. The archetypes are just repeated but act in a different way as catalyst because of the differences of mind, body, and spirit. They produce a different type of experience for each because of the differences in the three. The Transformation is slightly different. The Great Way is somewhat different but the archetypes are all basically doing the same thing. They are just acting on three different portions of the mind/body/spirit complex so that we can condense the entire archetypical mind into a way of saying that in making the Significator a complex basically we have provided a way for Catalyst to create Transformation more efficiently. Would you correct my statement, please?
Ra: I am Ra. In your statement correctness is so plaited up with tendrils of the most fundamental misunderstanding that correction of your statement is difficult. We shall make comments and from these comments request that you allow a possible realignment of conceptualization to occur.
The archetypical mind is a great and fundamental portion of the mind complex, one of its most basic elements and one of the richest sources of information for the seeker of the One Infinite Creator. To attempt to condense the archetypes is to make an erroneous attempt. Each archetype is a significant ding an sich*, or thing in itself, with its own complex of concepts. While it is informative to survey the relationships of one archetype to another it can be said that this line of inquiry is secondary to the discovery of the purest gestalt or vision or melody which each archetype signifies to both the intellectual and intuitive mind.
The Significators of Mind, Body, and Spirit complexes are complex in and of themselves, and the archetypes of Catalyst, Experience, Transformation, and the Great Way are most fruitfully viewed as independent complexes which have their own melodies with which they may inform the mind of its nature.
We ask that you consider that the archetypical mind informs those thoughts which then may have bearing upon the mind, the body, or the spirit. The archetypes do not have a direct linkage to body or spirit. All must be drawn up through the higher levels of the subconscious mind to the conscious mind and thence they may flee whither they have been bidden to go. When used in a controlled way they are most helpful. Rather than continue beyond the boundaries of your prior statement we would appreciate the opportunity for your re-questioning at this time so that we may answer you more precisely.
59.14 Questioner: Then is the coherence and organization multiplied once more at the start of the second spiral? Is there just a doubling effect or an increasing effect?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to discuss in your language. There is no doubling effect but a transformation across boundaries of dimension so that light which was working for those using it in space/time—time/space configuration becomes light working in what you might consider an inter-dimensional time/space—space/time configuration. This causes an apparent diffusion and weakness of the spiraling energy. However, in position two, as you have called it, much work may be done inter-dimensionally.
65.15 Questioner: Then as these final days of the cycle transpire if the harvest were to occur now, today, it would have a certain number harvested positively and negatively and a certain number of repeaters. I am going to assume that because of the catalyst which will be experienced between now and the actual harvesting time these numbers of harvestable entities will increase.
Generally speaking, not particularly with respect to this planet but with respect to general experience, shall we say, in harvesting, how big an increase in harvestable entities can you logically assume will occur because of the catalyst that occurs in the final period such as this one, or am I making a mistake in assuming that other planets have added catalyst at the end of a harvesting period when they have a mixed harvest?
Ra: I am Ra. In the event of mixed harvest there is nearly always disharmony and, therefore, added catalyst in the form of your so-called “Earth changes.” In this assumption you are correct.
It is the Confederation’s desire to serve those who may indeed seek more intensely because of this added catalyst. We do not choose to attempt to project the success of added numbers to the harvest for this would not be appropriate. We are servants. If we are called, we shall serve with all our strength. To count the numbers is without virtue.
67.0 Ra: I am Ra and I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. I communicate now.
71.0 Ra: I am Ra and I greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
104.0 Ra: I am Ra. We greet you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator. We communicate now.
69.21 Questioner: You mean the character Trostrick.
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. We referred to Esmerelda, as this imagined entity was called.
We may note that long practice at the art which each intuits here would be helpful. We cannot speak of methodology for the infringement would be most great. However, to speak of group efforts is, as we scan each, merely confirmation of what is known. Therefore, this we may do.
We have the available energy for one fairly brief query.
57.19 Questioner: Is there any variation in the effect with respect to the material of construction, the thickness of the material? Is it simply the geometry of the shape, or is it related to some other factors?
Ra: I am Ra. The geometry, as you call it, or relationships of these shapes in their configuration is the great consideration. It is well to avoid stannous* material or that of lead or other baser metals. Wood, plastic, glass, and other materials may all be considered to be appropriate.
53.1 Questioner: I would first like to know the instrument’s condition and ask two questions for her. She would like to know if she can do one exercise of one hour a day, and is the pain she feels prior to a session due to an Orion attack?
Ra: I am Ra. The instrument’s condition is as previously stated. In answer to the question of exercise, now that the intensive period is over, this instrument may, if it chooses, exercise one period rather than two. In scanning this instrument’s physical complex distortions we find the current period of exercise at the limit of this instrument’s strength. This is well in the long run due to a cumulative building up of the vital energies. In the short run it is wearying to this entity. Thus we suggest the entity be aware of our previous admonitions regarding other aids to appropriate bodily distortions. In answer to the second query we may say that the physical complex difficulties prior to contact with our social memory complex are due to the action of the subconscious will of the instrument. This will is extremely strong and requires the mind/body/spirit complex to reserve all available physical and vital energies for the contact. Thus the discomforts are experienced due to the dramatic distortion towards physical weakness while this energy is diverted. The entity is, it may be noted, also under psychic attack, and this intensifies pre-existing conditions and is responsible for the cramping and the dizziness as well as mind complex distortions.
30.14 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me a brief history of the metaphysical principles of the development of each of our planets around the sun and their function with respect to evolution of beings?
Ra: I am Ra. We shall give you a metaphysical description only of those planets upon which individual mind/body/spirit complexes have been, are, or shall be experienced. You may understand the other spheres to be a part of the Logos.
We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of [the progress of] the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.
Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia.
The planet which you dwell upon has a metaphysical history well known to you and you may ask about it if you wish. However, we have spoken to a great degree upon this subject.
The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system.
The planetary entity known to you as Uranus is slowly moving through the first density and has the potential of moving through all densities.
64.6 Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or technique used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?
Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision* of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth density is inevitably distorted greatly.
However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.
We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.
Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.
We may answer further if you have specific queries.
73.17 Questioner: In the exercise of the fire then, I assume that the healer would be working with the same energy that we spoke of as entering through the crown chakra. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with some additional notation necessary for your thought in continuing this line of study. When the magical personality has been seated in the green-ray energy center for healing work the energy then may be seen to be the crystalline center through which body energy is channeled. Thus this particular form of healing uses both the energy of the adept and the energy of the upward spiraling light. As the green-ray center becomes more brilliant, and we would note this brilliance does not imply over-activation but rather crystallization, the energy of the green-ray center of the body complex spirals twice; firstly, clockwise from the green-ray energy center to the right shoulder, through the head, the right elbow, down through the solar plexus, and to the left hand. This sweeps all the body complex energy into a channel which then rotates the great circle clockwise again from right — we correct this instrument — from the left to the feet, to the right hand, to the crown, to the left hand, and so forth.
Thus the in-coming body energy, crystallized, regularized, and channeled by the adept’s personality reaching to the green-ray energy center, may then pour out the combined energies of the adept which is incarnate thus offering the service of healing to an entity requesting that service. This basic situation is accomplished as well when there is an entity which is working through a channel to heal.
74.8 Questioner: Would you answer it please?
Ra: I am Ra. We would be happy to answer this query. We understood the previous query as being of other import. The indigo ray is the ray of the adept. A great deal of the answer you seek is in this sentence. There is an identification between the crystallization of that energy center and the improvement of the working of the mind/body/spirit as it begins to transcend space/time balancing and to enter the combined realms of space/time and time/space.
6.7 Questioner: How were you able to make the transition from Venus, and I assume the sixth dimension, which— would that be invisible when you reached here? Did you have to change your dimensions to walk on the Earth?
Ra: You will remember the exercise of the wind. The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness. From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light so that we were able to clothe ourselves in a replica visible in the third density of our mind/body/spirit complexes in the sixth density. We were allowed this experiment by the Council which guards this planet.
62.25 Questioner: Would you tell me what we could do?
Ra: I am Ra. You could cease in your attempts to be channels for the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator.
17.14 Questioner: Do I always speak to the same individualized portion of consciousness in each of the sessions?
Ra: I am Ra. You speak to the same entity through a channel or instrument. This instrument is at times lower in vital energy. This will sometimes hamper our proceedings. However, this instrument has a great deal of faithfulness to the task and gives whatever it has to this task. Therefore, we may continue even when energy is low. This is why we usually speak to the ending of the session due to our estimation of the instrument’s levels of vital energy.
85.19 Questioner: I would like to carry that on to find out what specific functions of the mind were most effectual and the three or four most effective changes brought about to create the polarization.
Ra: I am Ra. This is an interesting query. The primary veiling was of such significance that it may be seen to be analogous to the mantling of the Earth over all the jewels within the Earth’s crust; whereas previously all facets of the Creator were consciously known. After the veiling, almost no facets of the Creator were known to the mind. Almost all was buried beneath the veil.
If one were to attempt to list those functions of mind most significant in that they might be of aid in polarization, one would need to begin with the faculty of visioning, envisioning, or far-seeing. Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. With the veil space/time is the only obvious possibility for experience.
Also upon the list of significant veiled functions of the mind would be that of dreaming. The so-called dreaming contains a great deal which, if made available to the conscious mind and used, shall aid it in polarization to a great extent.
The third function of the mind which is significant and which has been veiled is that of the knowing of the body. The knowledge of and control over the body, having been lost to a great extent in the veiling process, is thusly lost from the experience of the seeker. Its knowledge before the veiling is of small use. Its knowledge after the veiling, and in the face of what is now a dense illusion of separation of body complex from mind complex, is quite significant.
Perhaps the most important and significant function that occurred due to the veiling of the mind from itself is not in itself a function of mind but rather is a product of the potential created by this veiling. This is the faculty of will or pure desire.
We may ask for brief queries at this time. Although there is energy remaining for this working, we are reluctant to continue this contact, experiencing continual variations due to pain flares, as you call this distortion. Although we are unaware of any misgiven material we are aware that there have been several points during which our channel was less than optimal. This instrument is most faithful but we do not wish to misuse this instrument. Please query as you will.
63.15 Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here during the harvesting process?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service to others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.
41.8 Questioner: When the first density is formed, the— I am going to make a statement of my understanding and if you will correct me, I will… I intuitively see the first density being formed by an energy center that is a vortex. This vortex then causes these spinning motions that I have mentioned before of the light, vibration which is light, which then starts to condense into the materials of the first density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct as far as your reasoning has taken you. However, it is well to point out that the Logos has the plan of all the densities of the octave in potential completion before entering the space/time continuum in first density. Thus the energy centers exist before they are manifest.
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